Have you heard about the used oil furnace from 1950's that ran
on water? Patent was issued to army service men in Texas THAT SAID, adding the initial
water line to T fitting for used oil burner on used jeep engine oil, to get 50%
increase in efficiency.
That was NOT, what was written in their application for
Patent. SS coil tubing in brick highly insulated firepot of oil burner hooked to input
common water line. Oil furnace started. Temperature gauge monitored for temp up to
1500 degrees F. Then valve opened so as superheated ONLY steam is allowed in T fitting
with oil to tiny nozzle. Nice burn flame runs constant. Then oil line was quickly shut
off. Furnace still runs.
Shock wave from 90 lbs pressure to zero AMBIENT in
fire-pot forms Hydrogen and Oxygen torch flame that also heats heat ex changer.
Normally water molecules separate at about 3000-6000 degrees which is too much energy.
The vibration shock wave allows for disassociation at lower temperature. Electric
motor with dual shafts ran 2 oil pumps at 90lbs. If input water shut off, and cooled
down, then furnace has to be restarted on oil.
A much smaller unit in crate was
shown to a US senator in Washington building underground parking, as an open trunk
display. This was somewhat similar to the propane operated camping stove with circular
pores, vertical round fire brick insulated chimney, and interior SS tubing of initial
water. When steam introduced to T fitting, the fuel used was shut down leaving burning
circular torch flames. It probably used minerals free distilled water so as nozzle
would not clog.
(US Patent office not allow for over unity for public.- Free
Energy is eliminated in issued US Patents. US- 1958,
Jackson USP 2,863,499 - Fuel Burners. The water furnace did not have water or
steam mixed with fuel oil. The heat ex-changer in brick highly insulated fire pot, was
brought up to =/> 1500 degrees F. Oil removed when steam valve was opened. This was a
new science phenomena when the shock wave broke up the H20 molecule at the unusual
lowered temperature. Read paragraph again. The US Patent issued was NOT what was asked
for in the complete application manuscript in 1950. Patent said steam mixed with fuel
oil.
Oil Furnace Ran On Water In 1950
Toby! In a past post you mentioned Stanley Meyers, HHO production in his engines!
When you read this doc. and go to summary at bottom you will see how it was done.
In a cylinder (under compression) high temperature and pressure with water present is
easily split via the ultra high voltage spark discharge which provides the "Z pinch"
ultra high gauss" magnetic flux as demonstrated by Peter Graneau and duplicated my
many researchers. Peter Graneau calculated that an "over pressure" is created of over
400,000PSI.
I have spent some time studying the decomposition of water in
intense magnetic fields. The magnetic flux needed is easily achieved via the
capacitive discharge and "Z pinch" effect. A 100 Tesla pulse is simple to produce!
The "T-crit / "P-crit" of water is around 703 degrees F. and pressure of around 3000
PSI.
Think about this a little!
Direct Thermomagnetic Splitting of Water - Norman Wootan
Hi Hermes,
The link to "hydrogen.pdf" on your site doesn't work. I thus can't read what Wootan
said.
However, bear in mind that a MRI machine runs at around 1-2 Tesla
magnetic field, and that you are cautioned to remove all magnetic items before going
close. Making 100 Tesla is _not_ easy, and is quite dangerous if you don't get the
conditions correct. Calculate the current needed yourself and how you would achieve it.
If however you manage to achieve the conditions specified, you'll find that
the mechanical energy you get out is somewhat less than the electrical energy you have
to put in. Though the "water explosion" is useful since it can produce very high
explosive pressures a lot more cheaply and easily than C4 (and has thus been used for
explosive forming of things like denture plates) it's not OU. For Graneau, there's
maybe some slight energy excess left over by the change in the lengths of the Hydrogen
bonds in the droplets of the fog, though whether that is enough to counter the energy
you need to put in to produce that much more surface area in the fog is a moot point.
At some specific range of fog size it might be actually gainful, but I haven't worked
that out. The gain won't be worthwhile having, though, since you'll be outputting a
load of fog and this will need sunlight to dissipate it.
You can achieve a pretty high pressure with popping water even without the other
conditions, but you'll need to fill the cylinder entirely with water to get the high
pressure and it will likely blow up the motor in the process unless you've built a
really strong one. Try it if you want to, but take precautions such as using a
remote-control and setting up in a disused quarry. Graneau basically had an open-top,
and the dental-forming systems were very heavily built. However, it isn't OU.
Where would the extra energy come from?
Water-as-fuel has been proposed many times. No-one has actually managed it in that way,
though of course if you want to extract the Deuterium from a glass of water and fuse
it to Helium you can get energy produced from that. The problem though is that at the
moment the reactor consumes more energy than it generates, so you need to plug it in
to a power source to run it. Stan Meyer fooled people with his dune buggy and actually
used a normal fuel rather than water. Russ Gries did an excellent replication of
Meyer's kit and it just didn't work. HHO is useful, but also not overunity.
Ask George Wiseman, who is a real expert on that.
Best regards, Simon
Stanley Meyer - Stephen Barrie Chambers
The Stanley Meyer Patented hydrogen generator cell was the best method for generating
usable hydrogen gas fuel from plain water ever invented. Efficiency % was in the
thousands. (that means overunity) The several Patents have run out and are in public
domain. This means you can study/ build cells. Don't listen to naysayers. Read/study
the tech data for yourself. (no electrolysis at all) Small units for use or for blast
furnaces of industry. There were 3 levels of this. Books - Birth of new technology +
water fuel cell company manual. See what others have done as bench tested. A coined
common expression had been given for this as -- Voltrolysis. Go!
Stan Meyer's
helper technician Chambers fled to Canada and started his own company called Xogen and
filed Patent for his version , since he knew about previous work. The small unit
written up as construction manual was called HYDROSTAR. He had purposely left out the
pertinent details about the coil flyback high volts generated in both Patent and the
released manual.I have the original paper printed manual. Ebay sells disc for this,
but no details on high volts. Most Patents don't divulge exact every small detail
required , except for the Horvath Patents.
Others have requested, in the past,
on how the original Hydrostar Hydrogen Generator had the pulses divided down to get
20Htz from 20,000 htz main oscillator. That was for going to the toroid coil for
magnetic field pulses into the rising ions of solution. The IC CD4059AE can be used
for that, as well as a divider for 1000 cycles down to 1 per second, for a flashing
LED, so as verification that the main oscillator is in working state for your other
circuits. Ic available on Internet Ebay. The full manual is available on disc. The
ferrite toroid core wire coil is too much trouble to make, but can be purchased
completed, or a 2 piece ferrite UU core set could be used, so as getting a closed flux
core, and WAY easier wire winding. The Hydrostar circuit was an offshute of the Meyer
resonance cell by Chambers . He used to work as tech engineer for Meyer in Ohio. He
fled to Canada and filed Patent for HIS version of the circuit. The Patent omits
notation of flyback coil high voltage connected to the Main electrode pipes water
capacitance cell. He says the magnetic field circuit increases energy content of fuel
gases emitted, by spinning the ions in different direction. Hydrostar was purposely
then JUST A MODIFIED circuit to only increase car gasoline mileage by introducing
Hydrogen and oxygen for about 25% increase in gas mileage.
The divider IC
circuit itself does work. I use it to verify my Dr. Clark Zapper has the oscillator
working as led flash per second from 1000 cycles.
- russwr
Hi Simon,
What do you think about hydrogen ion trapped nitrogen?
http://www.rexresearch.com/hyfuel/garrett/garrett.htm
http://gratisenergi.se/carl_cella.pdf
Best Wishes, Hermes
P.S for
more water fuel, see:
http://gratisenergi.se/hhowater.htm
Hi
Hermes,
The only mention of Nitrogen is at the end of the Carl Cella file, with
no details. Note that a compound of H N and O is HNO3, or Nitric acid.
There
are various claims for HHO being able to produce more energy when burnt than it takes
to produce it. Tests (from Mark Dansie, so I trust the accuracy) show that isn't true
- for thermodynamic reasons you'd need at least 3x the energy out than in to allow the
engine to work at all. When you add some HHO to the air supply, though, running the
electrolyser from a generator that's driven by the engine, you can get around 10%
savings on fuel - it still needs the hydrocarbon fuel, just a bit less of it. Given
the problems of Hydrogen embrittlement, might need to change the materials the engine
is made of, especially the poppet valves.
AFAIK no-one has shown a
water-powered car running without fraud being involved (that is, it won't run and the
"inventor" knows for sure it doesn't really work).
Of course, many people have
claimed to be able to run on water as a fuel. It might even be possible if you could
extract the Deuterium from the water and use nuclear fusion, since the nuclear energy
available would be significant and about 1 in 6000 Hydrogen atoms are Deuterium.
Unless you're doing that, it probably won't work.
Best regards, Simon
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