Counter Electro Motive Force in a Motor/Generator

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Counter Electro Motive Force from an Inductor



Hi Norman

What a very very great article you found here talking about converting standard motors to overunity devices using a second set of commutators brushes and harnessing the CEMF.

It is all so easy to understand and makes perfect sense all the way through. I have been "preaching" some.of these concepts and ideas for over twenty years...this person taking it to much more understandable levels.

The 2nd set of brush commutator idea really works well and I have done lots of succesful experiments with them. All I can think to add is he calls for 2nd set of brushes to be "phased" I would add for the timing to be "delayed" a bit with the 2nd set of brushes and this is what he calls "phased" I will guess.

I found about 5 degrees retarded, like an echo, as to when to connect 2nd set of brushes to load or caps gives super good results and the frequency or rpms of motor will decide the exact connection point....also have 2nd switching share same pulse width length with primary pulse width...but just delay it a bit, the 2nd switching. I really like the author saying to input sawtooth DC pulsed in transformers for example, as now the primary will have the CEMF to harness as well as secondary, because of the cut off of current up there at the peak.....and to use this in generators too... in my mind do not input or output "smooth sinewave AC instead chop in and out sawtooth so you can always harness that CEMF.

Anyways thank you so much for that article very inspiring for me at least. Would be fun to know author but not on need to know list...

Kone

Something they don't tell is for it to be more effective winding must be WYE to eliminate self shunting and be OU its easy just cut one end of the wire in the commutator segments in any dc motor rotor and solder it to a common ring,,,,, you can do that is small motors also .... voltage capacity will double.

This i had posted long ago, but people don't read, many just are here to sabotage and distract and others are just collecting information on devices used to make them into useless pieces of shit....

the only thing i say to this people is don't ask for me when they are burning in hell...

(H)

Doug!

A lot of history here behind this concept. You were there with me at the KeelyNet Conference where I had the EV Gray Motors disassembled and explained the inner working of same. In the YouTube video you will see that I pointed out the additional contacts in the commutation slip rings that captured the CEMF sending the spike energy back to the battery source. The motors were powered by DC pulse energy.

I started my research on this idea way back in the early 80s by buying plans from John Bedini for the Tesla Switch using a DC motor with the 2 gel cell 12V batteries being switched in the configuration explained by George. I had extended the motor shaft and had 4 sets of slip rings to mechanically switch between supply and load battery.

DC saw tooth input so you can switch off input power at the saturation point of the BH curve just at the point where the coil impedance drops to an air core coil value as Ole has explained. When an inductor goes into supersaturation the impedance drops. It is at this exact point that you want to switch from supply to load output so as to capture the spike energy of decaying magnetic field. The idea of using a locked rotor configuration falls directly in line with my 5 HP motor set up that gave me the Neutral Spike output. Isolation from supply power with spike energy going into earth ground. This proposal sends the spike energy to a load or back to supply battery.

BTW, John Bedini was sitting right in front of me at the Conference presentation and I asked him to verify some info that I was discussing. That was a great Conference which gave me the opportunity to meet you and see your work in this area. This idea of variable impedance creating the pumping effect falls right inline with the Hyde Patent where that configuration dealt with variable capacitance giving the same pumping effect.

If you take a hypothetical capacitor of X-value of capacitance and charge it to say 1000V and instantly drop the capacitance value to zero (hypothetically) the voltage would go to infinity. Same with an inductor of a high Henry value loaded with magnetic flux energy and you suddenly change the Henry value to a much lower value, you have in effect multiplied the energy (voltage & current) which we see in the ferroresonance phenomenon. It all makes sense when you think it all out. It has been measured at ferroresonance a transformer winding will have voltage spikes at 10X the supply voltage and current magnitude greatly multiplied. Just a matter of capturing that energy and make it do work for us.

Norm

Norm

That is likely what was happening when I daisy chained 10 big dc motors using fwbrs fed 35 volts and ending up with more than 90 volts at the last motor. Doug's idea regarding the rectifier on the brush leads seems to have worked even better than expected, when multiplied over several separate motors. The tread mill motors have a double ended shaft, which makes an extra commutator easy to install. Is this just a mechanical switch timed after the power on sequence to the coils, directing the resultant high voltage of the sudden open, where ever you wish? Perhaps the additional rectifiers supply this same function?

Cheers Warren

Hi Warren

Could be the additional fwbrs in the motor daisy chain downstream cause a delay effect also the FWBR instead of single diode as is normally done to capture the CEMF makes for a juttering delay and machine gun release of the CEMF as opposed to single spike blast. (Maybe)

My theory (one of them) about the delay of connection causes the timing of CEMF spike to line up and cohere with the inherent back emf force at its.peak of " opposing force", and the spike is so sudden and of such high voltage it knocks a chip off of the inherent backemf forces which releases itself from its natural-job of opposing the forward EMF and now this "chip off the block" of backEMF goes in same direction as the spike energy and is rectified as well riding underneath and supporting the spike energy, so there becomes a sudden large current along with the spike ...that is, if the timing is just right when recovery circuit connects which is about a 5 degree delay in time I found with my motors.

Kone

Hi Hermes,

People have been trying this for ages, and it isn't OU. If it was, we'd have had evidence for at least half a century.

Read http://revolution-green.com/conservation-of-momentum/ and think about the principles I've talked about there. It's not impossible to produce an OU system, but you need to use the correct principles in order to actually achieve it.

Best regards, Simon


NewHermes

The generator is SIMPLE. You just need to make sure the generator coils are in resonance. IF they are, they are LENZ neutral, and do NOT put additional load on the prime mover when THEY are put under load. EVERY coil can be put into resonance by changing one of three things, or combination of the 3 things.

Here is a resonance calculator:

https://goodcalculators.com/resonant-frequency-calculator/

Remember, the following ONLY works when your motor is up to operating speed, a CONSTANT RPM. Tesla showed in his patent that he could put motor coils in resonance by winding them with the "Tesla Coil" style windings INSTEAD OF USING A CAPACITOR, which was what others were using in his day to accomplish the same task.

Motor coils in resonance produce NO CEMF (Back EMF) and generator coils in resonance produce no Lenz. Capacitors back then were HUGE cumbersome things. Therefore it was worth the time to patent.

But this kind of coil (wound with two wires in parallel and the ends connected in series) actually put MORE load on the prime move than either a coil with the same amount of wire with ONE long strand or a coil with the same amount of wire and two (SHORTER) equal length strands in parallel, so the fact that there was not an increase in input when the coil was put under load is smoke and mirrors, because it required more energy to turn the rotor past these coils in the first place.

BUT, if you turn the rotor so that you have the correct frequency (rpm x number of magnets) or have the correct coil capacitance, Lenz CAN be neutralized. ANY coil can be put in resonance at the correct frequency. OR you can simply add a capacitor to your coil to change its capacitance. Look at the variables in the resonance formula I just gave you. Change the EASIEST one for you and make sure all your generator coils are exactly the same. Then you just have to wait until the motor is up to the CORRECT rpm before putting the generator coils under load.

David

NewHi Simon,

Do you find anything wrong with David's reasoning about no lenz law at constant speed and generator coils in resonance?

Best Wishes, Hermes

NewHi Hermes,

Use a bit of logic here. These people are telling you that a certain arrangement will work, but have you heard from anyone that it actually does and they're getting free energy out? I'm sure you'd have heard if it worked.... Many people are probably trying various ways to get past the back-EMF that motors and generators produce, but so far there's no actual system you can test that actually does that. Yep, stories about people having done that, but the machine that did it got lost or destroyed, or the dog ate it. There's nothing testable.

Variations of this basic idea have been tried by many people. It didn't work. Unless you do something significantly different, such attempts will continue to not work, because that's the way it is. Thus adding in more capacitors or coils, or getting the timing right and getting resonance going, won't be a significant change, and still won't work.

There's maybe a significant change possible if you use a high-enough frequency that the phase of the waves varies enough across the system. Note that 1GHz is about 33cm wavelength and that's well above the frequencies that people normally use in such systems. Then again, with a motor you'd be needing to put the energy into the wave, and to get energy out that wave would be tapped and thus lose that energy, so I'm still not seeing a way to get something working here.

Best bet is to build a reactionless drive (see Mike McCulloch's QI) and make a motor using it. That should work. Space-test for this gets launched on the 7th November this year.

Best regards, Simon



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